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● RDT COMM ·jack-drpepperneat ·May 26, 2026 ·19:08Z

Should I do my IR and CPL concurrently?

I (20F) am just finishing up PPL, doing it Part 61, checkride June 23. I’m currently looking at what’s next, I love flying and plan to get my ATP. After PPL, I’m looking to join my local Aero Club since the planes are cheap, the people are good, and the
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A student pilot nearing PPL completion raises a practical set of questions about concurrent instrument rating and commercial pilot certificate training under Part 61, the legality of receiving instruction from a certificated partner, and how to structure cost-effective time-building — questions that touch on regulatory nuance, training efficiency, and the economics of building toward an ATP certificate.

On the regulatory question, Part 61 places no prohibition on pursuing instrument and commercial training simultaneously, and no rule bars a certificated flight instructor from providing instruction to a romantic partner. The FAA's relevant regulatory framework — specifically 14 CFR 61.195 — limits CFI instruction in contexts involving certain financial conflicts of interest tied to flight schools, but imposes no restriction based on personal relationships. Logging is straightforward: when the boyfriend acts as authorized instructor, the student logs dual received and he logs flight instruction given. For shared time-building flights where no instruction is being provided, only one pilot may log PIC unless both hold the appropriate category, class, and type ratings for the aircraft under 61.51(e). The student's plan to use a separate CFI/I for formal IR training while using the boyfriend for ground review and gap-filling is not only permissible but represents a pragmatic division of roles that sidesteps the well-documented interpersonal friction that arises when instruction follows couples home.

The sequencing question carries real operational weight. While the FAA does not require an instrument rating before the commercial certificate, the Commercial ACS demands demonstrated instrument proficiency, and instrument training fundamentally improves the precision flying required for commercial maneuvers. Most pilots who have navigated this path recommend completing the IR before the CPL checkride, even if the ground and sim work overlap. Under Part 61, the commercial certificate requires 250 total hours including 100 hours PIC and 50 hours cross-country PIC — a threshold that makes structured time-building with a co-pilot sharing aircraft costs a legitimate and common strategy, provided logging is done correctly and no dual received is claimed on flights where the CFI is not actively providing instruction.

The broader pattern here reflects a structural reality in the pipeline toward airline careers: the gap between PPL and the ATP minimums at 1,500 hours (or 1,000 for Part 141 graduates, 750 for military) forces most aspiring professionals into creative, cost-conscious strategies. Aero clubs, split aircraft costs, and leveraging CFI-rated partners or friends have long served as the working-class route through the ratings. Regional airline demand has not meaningfully eased the financial pressure on ab-initio pilots pursuing this path outside of university aviation programs or cadet pipelines with guaranteed flow agreements, meaning the approach described in this post — methodical, community-supported, financially shared — remains representative of how a large portion of future airline pilots still reach the flight levels.

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